Psych meds are tools, physiology first, and the meat suit

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I am about to go on a walk, and I’m going to talk through the process of dog walking. I need water.

Alright.

So yesterday, I recorded and released the first episode of my podcast, which I think was kind of an unexpected thing, sort of. I mean, I was planning it, and I actually did a, like, a run-through, scripted follow, like, read-through, but it was forced. And I didn’t feel like I was really kind of, like, in my flow as far as wanting to tell a story. And so yesterday, I kind of started a rant based on a post, and I was just in jamming. It’s interesting, too, because my first episode of my podcast, I’m dropping people directly into me and everything about me. So, like, you know, some people might. I think, and this is me saying, some people, as in me, may be a little scared that, you know, I’m getting into some, you know, nitty-gritty, down-and-dirty, under, you know, undercurrents of Spencer that might, you know, maybe turn people off and make them not want to work with me. I don’t know. I remember a long time ago, you know, being, and I’ve always been kind of, like, afraid of, you know, having dogs.

And to talk to a, you know, my partner about, and, like, having, like, opening up to Haley for the first time about being mentally ill or whatever, or whatever it was. I don’t consider myself mentally ill anymore. It’s something I’m always focused on from, like, a holistic and larger perspective, you know, and drives my routines, you know, and my daily actions. But it’s not something that’s, like, causing me problems on a day-to-day basis. So, my doctor, my psychiatrist a long time ago, was the one that recommended I wean off the Depakote. He said, Spencer, you’re in remission. You haven’t had any symptoms or any sort of episodes in, like, 10 years. And the Depakote is a tool that can be used to help stabilize the mood, but it’s not necessarily required all the time if you’re fine. Like, so, this is a hard part of the subject because, you know, I can’t. I can’t recommend or, you know, say you should do anything here. This is something that you need to work with your professionals with.

But I’ve interacted with a lot of psychiatric professionals. And, like, I talked about yesterday in my video about seeking the advice of professionals. This is 100% applicable. So, the way I see it, psych meds can be a very useful tool under certain circumstances. I feel like they are overproductive. Prescribed by unqualified people, namely primary care. I apologize if that makes anyone mad. But I don’t think primary care physicians should be prescribing psych meds. I do think that, you know, a licensed therapist working with someone to do traditional cognitive behavioral therapies and under a professional and supervised container should then recommend the application of psych meds and the referral to a professional. Psychiatrists, you know. And I feel like they can be very, very powerful tools. Like, I always consider, you know, look for the right tool for the right job, like my buddy Joe would say. But ultimately, in the end, they are just tools. I don’t believe that they’re actually the long-term solutions.

You know, I feel like they can, if you’re unable to get out of bed because you’re just overwhelmed by depression, absolutely, you know, you need to be able to function. You need to be able to move out of crisis. Like I was saying yesterday, move out of crisis towards just being an illness where you can function, towards moving yourself into middle baseline, standard operating health zone,

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which will allow you to get to work and take care of your family. So, what I’m advocating for, though, is constant calibration as well as constant, optimization towards the goal of not needing them in the future. So, ideally, I believe that we should not need chemicals to manage our mental state. Now, this is a tricky subject and, you know, there are definitely nuances.

And again, I’m not giving you any sort of medical advice, but I’m just applying, you know, letting you know what I think. I believe about myself and what I’ve experienced and also what I’ve observed over, you know, sitting in groups, being involved with lots of different, you know, psychiatric facilities and people and talking to the professionals and, you know, I’ve earned a high degree of credential in being a compliant psychiatric patient. So, I am a, if I’m going to be anything, you know, I’m not a doctor, I’m not a psychiatrist, I’m not a counselor. What I am is, I am a pedigreed, I am a pedigreed compliant patient. You know, I’m a patient that followed the doctor’s prescriptions. That’s one thing that is interesting that I, one of the, a lot of the conversations I would have with doctors and he would say like, you know, so many people are just not compliant, you know. I guess there’s a statistic that says people are, have a tendency to be more compliant. Uh, consistent with their, their pet’s medications than their own.

So, that means, that means that when they get a prescription for themselves from their own doctor, they don’t follow it very good. And then when they get one from the vet for their dog, they’re really good at following that. So, I don’t know. So, one thing though, as I was going through getting therapy, you know, getting, going through the motions and getting psyched, psychiatric help and getting on the meds was, I wanted to be consistent, you know. And I always took them and I worked on not just the, the, the medication aspect. And I started dialing in all the, the other side stuff. So, you know, step one, talk to a professional and get professional help. Reach out to a crisis hotline, go into the emergency room, you know, seek, seek help from a professional. Two, follow the meds. Follow their advice and, and, and follow the protocols. And step three, it’s not going to be a simple one quick answer. This is the hardest part about this. This is the, the part that like most people don’t realize.

And then they, they usually skip this part or they kind of stop, drop off at this point is, it can take a lot of time to find the right dosage and all the stuff. So, the right cocktail is what they call it. So, now you’re going to be taking a cocktail every day. You know, and it’s a, it’s usually a combination of different things. And so, you know, this is the, the part where you’re going to have to really kind of like give over some faith to a higher power that these things will help you. And it doesn’t, it’s not going to be overnight. It’s not going to be in 30 days. It could take six months for these things to really start to smooth things out. So, this is where I think people get too impatient. They demand too much of these things. So, what I, what I always, what my doctors always described was, you know, they, they told me that, you know, medication and some of these tools are like getting a freight train moving. You know, at first it’s very slow and it’s got a lot of weight to move and it starts to slowly start to go.

And then once you get it going and you’ve been following, you know, the doctor’s advice and, and you’ve been following your protocol, you know, and you’ve been, you know, compliant, you know. You get the train moving and then you start to feel better, right? That’s the idea. You start to be able to function. And so, I’ve told a lot of my friends this that have started treatment and I think it’s helped them understand because I feel like it’s not going to be like you take a Tylenol and then, you know, your pain is a little bit easier. It’s, it’s a different thing. And sometimes they have to switch combinations. And anyway, what I, what I also recommend highly is. Once you’re able to get out of bed and function, once you’re able to start to like move out of crisis and out of being in suffering from this illness to the place where you’re at least at baseline health.

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Okay. Now you need to look at everything else because it’s not just meds. Okay. Right now it’s the morning. I’m getting out and getting some sunlight. I’m going for a long walk. The sun’s in my eyes. I’m a, I’m a big fan of Andrew Huberman. And he’s a, he’s a neuroscientist from Stanford. He’s got a great podcast, but I’ve been like learning about circadian rhythm management from a long time before his podcast made sunlight protocols make that popular. Right. And I think part of the reason that, that sunlight circadian rhythm, you know, parts of his podcast got popular is I bet you there was a lot of people sitting across from the doctor that said, Hey, you know, circadian rhythm is, is, is very common to be out of whack and people with mental health issues, which statistically it is. And Jordan Peterson on his podcast and his book, you know, 12 Rules for Life and talks about his practice. Cause he did this. He was a provider. He did talk to people. His thing that he said was, and I agree with this a hundred percent.

He said, the first thing you need to do when you’re, you know, working with a psychiatric professional and you’re starting on some of these tools is you need to fix your breakfast and you need to fix your sleep because those two things have a ridiculous impact on how you feel mentally throughout the day. So the breakfast thing, let’s talk about that first. Most people, either they don’t eat a breakfast or they throw some like sugar into the system. They’ll eat like a donut or some sort of like carbohydrates with sugar. And then what happens is blood glucose. Glucose spikes and you get this massive insulin hit to the system and it throws your whole brain chemistry out of whack. Even if you don’t have mental health problems, you’re still going to be irritable, agitated. It’s going to, it’s going to negatively impact your entire like chemistry system going on that helps support mental health.

So, you know, if you’re, if you’re suffering from mental health issues, breakfast, you know, first thing in the morning, high protein, no sugar, no carbs. So what does that look like? Two or three eggs, some cheese, you know, maybe some sausage, some meat, some like high protein, high quality, organic, good food, real, real nutrients. Don’t, you know, skip the donuts. And then, because if you spike that, that, that blood sugar first thing in the morning, like you don’t actually recover from that until you go back to sleep. So your entire day has been like. Kicked off in probably the worst possible way, you know, and so, yeah, your, your psych meds are helping, but now your biology underneath, you know, the, the, the hardware running your, your, your human operating system is just not up to where it could be, you know? And so like, there’s two aspects to mental health is, you know, there’s the physical body that the mind is running on the chassis, you know, and then there’s like these. Tools that we’re using to have, to, to tweak that.

Cause that’s, what’s happening. The psych meds are chemicals applied to the biochemical hardware of our body, which our brain is running on top of. And our, our brain is this energy consciousness linked to this meat suit chassis, right? And so there’s a, there’s a really good, like picture that someone sent me of a wall. I’m seeing it in my mind right now. And it’s like, you. You are a ghost operating a meat suit skeleton, walking on a rock, hurtling through space. And I love this like meat suit idea. I do believe that there’s more to this than just, you know, our body. I do believe in a higher power and another state of consciousness. We are in interacting with a three dimensional linear time space. But we’re operating. We’re operating it through the filter of this meat suit that is experiencing it. So the true me, the true me, that’s like tethered through some sort of quantum connections. This, this biomechanical meat suit is filtering. It’s, it’s receiving a signal on the other side from this filter. Right.

And, uh, the, the quality of that reception, that quality of that interaction with 3d three dimensional linear time space.

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Is the quality of the hardware running on it. So the fidelity of the pixels, you know, 4k screen, 8k screen, you know, I mean, that’s a, that’s a great example right there. Your eyes are blurry. You didn’t go down to the doctor and get your vision checked or whatever. So now you’re squinting and stuff. I remember when I, the very first time I ever got glasses, I didn’t realize I really needed them. And then I, the sun was setting. And I just couldn’t read any of the street signs. I was like trying to figure out where to go. And I was like, this is getting bad. Like I could see fine most of the time. And then I couldn’t read the road signs. So then I, I went in and got to an optometrist and I got glasses for the very first time. This is probably when I was like 27 or eight. And I remember walking out of the office and I felt like I was experiencing life with, through a 4k screen. It was so high fidelity. The office was in over a 24th street Camelback by the Esplanade and those little shops. Really nice place.

And I walk out into the courtyard and I turned to my left and there was a fountain, an old like multi-level, multi-layer, sautille tile, water coming down. The sun was setting behind it. And the sun was coming through, hitting the droplets of water coming off. This fountain. And I remember being kind of like blown away and taken aback by the depth of color and light and sharp objects that I could see now. I was like, what have I been, how have I been missing out on this? And then I could, I remember also being like, I can see the leaves in the, in the trees. I was like, they’re not just kind of blurry things. You know, like how, why did I wait so long to change the quality of that lens? You know, that, that, the, the, my human biomechanical meat suit had a sensor problem. It was throwing log warnings when I was driving. It was like a log, wait, error logs that are happening.

I read the logs, like started to think through like, okay, you know, if I’m going to drive at night in the afternoon, I’m going to need to make sure I could see signs and things. You know, it’s probably a good idea. And then I think I also tested it. Technically already had, I had glasses a long time ago. And then I left. I actually left them in California. I went on a road trip with my buddy, Scott. We drove a Volkswagen bus all the way to Canada. And on the way back, this is back in 2000. And that’s a story for another day. But we drove all the way from Phoenix to up through Utah, up into Idaho. And we were like meeting up with these hippies in the woods. 20,000 people camping in this unofficial illegal gathering of Bob Marley people. And we drove all the way up there. Maybe I’ll tell the story now. Why not? So Scott, one day, Scott’s my friend and he’s, we called him Bobo in a white 79 Westfalia bus, Volkswagen bus. He loved this bus. And he also loves smoking. And so did I.

So Scott or Bobo was, we were hanging out with all of our friends in Tempe, the Tempe house. And he’s like, Hey, does anyone want to drive up to Canada or to up to, to Idaho? There was outside of Loman, Idaho. I was like, sure, let’s do it. And so I think I was working at university of Phoenix online doing tech support, or it may have been out of work, but I had the time and I was like, let’s go. So it was, it was a magical adventure because we both. Just kind of like left our life. We had, we were coming back to it, but we didn’t necessarily have a hard deadline to get back. We were just like, we had an adventure. We were heading to, to Loman, Idaho to go out in the woods with like 20,000 hippies. And like they were, it was just an unofficial non-sanctioned illegal gathering of a gigantic amount of people. And we were like, yes, let’s do this. This group was called the rainbow gathering. I think this was like dead heads and people that had been following Bob Marley around since like the sixties.

This is like the remnants of all the roadies and stuff that’s still tour. And just like, that’s their life. There’s this like counterculture group of people that just kind of are like nomads and they just like travel with these bands and that’s their life.

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Somehow they figured out how to support themselves through this. And hats off to them. They live a different life. There’s also a great movie called into the wild and into the wild is an amazing, amazing movie. You should watch it. But there’s a part where he goes to the, what they call the slabs. And I forget exactly where this is. I think it’s in California or Nevada, but it’s like an old military base that they did. They tore down, but they left all the concrete cement base, like foundations. Now there’s like this nomad city that started there and it’s like unofficial and it’s a lot of people that travel around. And it’s kind of like an important place that a lot of these like travelers kind of, kind of like go to, you know? So anyway, Bobo’s and I are both big hippies, you know, Bob Marley and smoking weed. And, you know, I was very like really into thinking about the world. I was reading books like Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. Um, I, I read, Please Understand Me II, which was the Myers-Briggs personality profile.

I was reading books about past life regression and spirituality and really trying to understand what I really believed. This is when I was 20. And so I was like, let’s go on this adventure. Sure. Let’s do this. So we leave Phoenix and we drove up through Utah. So that was tricky because weed’s not legal that yet in the U S and so like we had weed when we were driving up north. And then once we got to Utah border, we threw it away. We got rid of all our weed because they’re pretty strict, you know, those Mormons up there. So we’re in a 79 white Westfalia bus listening to Bob Marley smoking, rolling cigarettes, and we’re going to be rolling through Mormon town. So obviously we are just kind of assuming that we’ll most likely get pulled over at some point. Cause we don’t really fall in with the normal Mormon crowd. And that’s like just us being smart, you know? So we get rid of our weed. We’re right. We’re rolling through there, you know? And then we end up getting to Idaho and we get to Loman, but it’s out in the middle of nowhere.

So it’s like up in the mountains. They had like two different meadows and these are like really nice woods, meadows. And like one of them was for all the cars and this like unofficial city that had just exploded. And then they had a meadow that about a mile in that you, you had to hike down into that people were camping and there was just like a lot of, um, drum circles and vendors and music and, and it was chaos. The, the, the S the state of Idaho didn’t know this was coming and they declared the County a national disaster area. And then they mobilized like all of the. Forest rangers from the state and other areas that they could come down and help out policing this whole thing. Cause they didn’t plan for it. No, no, no permits. It was just like, Hey, we’re here and there is no leader. Like, what are you going to do? You know, there’s no money happening. It’s just a bunch of people getting together. It was, it was amazing. We were there for about four or five days.

They started to, they started to give out $100 federal fines in order to like get people to leave. So. We went down one day, I think we went down to like a hot spring or something or a river and we were swimming. There’s a whole bunch of us loaded up in the white bus and, um, I’m trying to think through, okay, what we went and got gas and we paid for the gas. I know that we paid, but we’re driving back and they, they like said that we didn’t pay, you know, so the forest rangers pull us over. It was just a, uh, an excuse they needed. They’re like, Oh yeah, the gas station says you didn’t pay. The gas station probably was in on it. You know? Sure. Anyone that you want to pull over, just say, we said that they didn’t pay something like that, you know, gave them a reason to pull us over. So they pull us over, they get us all out. They found a, a, a glass, really beautiful glass pipe. Took that, took, uh, we didn’t have any weed, I don’t think. And, uh, it was fun.

It was funny too, cause, um, we said some, they used to yell something when the cops were coming around. I think it was six up was what they used to yell. That was like the thing everyone would say. They would yell out six up and that was like, heads up, there’s cops. Anyway, um, so, uh, they pulled us out of the bus.

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We’re on the side of the highway, this little dirt, you know, mountain road. And I was driving. And I’m standing there and there’s two rangers kind of like getting ready to check out my ID and stuff. And they’re asking, you know, I take my glasses off and I set them down on the hood of the, of the, the bus kind of where I could, cause they were bothering me. My glasses like didn’t fit right. I only wore them when I drove. You know, these are the first pair of glasses I ever got. And then I only wore them when I drove. Right. And so I set them down. On the hood. And then right when I did that, both rangers put their hands on their guns, stuck, stepped one step back. And I guess hearing this later, they explained this to me. They’re like, have a traffic stop and someone takes their glasses off and set them down. It’s typically an indication that you’re going to fight us or there’s going to be violence. And I was like, wow, that’s not, I’m a hippie Spence, you know, um, I am, I am hippie Spence. Don’t worry.

I’m not going to fight you guys. And I didn’t know martial arts as good as I do. Now then. So, I mean, against police, armed police, it doesn’t matter anyway, but long story long, we, uh, they let us go. They gave us $300 in federal fines. And then, uh, we ended up deciding to leave cause it was just kind of like, we didn’t want to get more fines. We were on a limited budget. And so we, we ended up, um, deciding that like, Hey, we’re this close to Canada. You know, like why not go to Canada? And so Loma, Idaho, if you look at the map, isn’t really that close to Canada, honestly. And where we were, we were going to drive through California. Anyway, we took a detour cause we’re like, let’s go to Humboldt County and find weed in the, in the weed capital of North California. So we went to Humboldt County first and then we’re like, yeah, we’ll go to Humboldt County and score some really, really good kind bud. And then we’ll head North through Oregon and Washington. And, um, then we’ll go up to Canada.

And my buddy, my buddy was saying there was this place called Blunt Brothers in British Columbia. And this is in year 2000 and Blunt Brothers, um, it was the very first coffee shop in North America where you could legally smoke weed in it. And this is way before, you know, it was legal everywhere. They had decriminalized it. In British Columbia first wasn’t technically legal, but they weren’t really, they weren’t really getting mad at anyone for it. So like, we have this dream of going there, you know? So Bobo and I are like, why not? We’re already this close. Why not? You know? So we’re leaving the Loma, Idaho, and there’s this kid, um, this kid, uh, we were hanging out with and he’s like, Hey, could I get a ride to the airport? We were like, sure, man, we’re that’s on our way. Let’s go. And then we drop them off at the airport. And he’s like, Hey guys, you want some Czechoslovakian acid? And we’re like, of course we do, you know? And so he gives us some, I think he like poured it onto some paper blotters and stuff.

And then, I don’t know, he might’ve taken the rest on before he got on going through security, but we, uh, we didn’t take the acid right then we, we saved it for later. But then we left Loma, Idaho and, uh. We got on our way to Humboldt County to find kind buds, you know? So then we, we, we ended up rolling into Humboldt and we’re, we don’t know anyone, but we are two hippie guys with long hair and scruffy beards in a 79 West Folly, a bus. When you have that kind of a credential, it’s not hard to find people that will give you weed. Like, like, like if we were, if we were rolling up in a four tour. Yeah. And we had business suits and stuff like a different story, but like we found that we went to a park and when there was this hippie kid playing hacky sack or some stupid stuff like that, like not even kidding. It was that easy. We’re just like, Hey, we’re looking for weed. And then we found like some really good weed. Anyway, we smoked a weed and then we head North, you know, and we’re driving this bus.

And I need to tell you, driving a bus is on a road trip is like, it’s a. You’re not getting there in a rush, you know, like your, your, your, your top speeds, maybe 70 miles an hour, you know, it feels like you’re going a lot faster, but you’re only going like 70 miles an hour and that’s fine.

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You know, that’s the whole point. We’re just like driving. No, no pressure, no time pressures. I felt so free, you know, one of the freest feelings I’ve, I’ve ever experienced was this, like we were, we could travel as long as our money till the money ran out. We didn’t really have any. And he and I. I both had decent jobs. He was, he was in computers as well. And so, but here’s the funny thing is we get to, we get to the Canadian border. We’re trying to cross over and we’re getting all sorts of crap from the border, from the border guards. Cause they didn’t want to let us in. Cause they thought we were just bums, you know? And so they like, we had to prove to them that we had money. I think we had to like tell them like, look, we’re just kind of like, we are hippies, but we’re kind of tourists on this trip. You know? And we actually do have money. So we’re going to buy stuff when we come into Canada and we’re not just like trying to run from the police or something, you know? And so they let us in.

We, we achieve achievement unlocked. We crossed over the border into Canada and we were planning on having them search us. So we’ve gotten rid of all that kind, but smoked all the kind, but that we got in Humboldt County, California. And then we, uh, we head North, right? And we, when we get to the border, we’re like, we cross into Northern California. So now of course our immediate mission, find more weed, you know, that’s like, we have none, let’s find some. So we don’t really know anyone in the city or to like American guys from Phoenix, Arizona. And now we’re in British Columbia, Vancouver, BC, and we’re like, I don’t know, how do we, how do we find weed here? Like, where do we go? So we, we go down to this place. I think we talked to a gas station person or someone. They’re like, Hey, if you want to find weed, you need to go down to the American hotel, which was kind of funny because we’re Americans. So we’re like, all right. So we go down to the American hotel, which is in kind of a shadier part of the town.

And we go there, there’s a bar. It’s like the middle of the day. And then we open the bar door. It’s like darkness. So super dark closes behind us. Now we’re, we’re in the mid midday sun. And now we’re. Standing inside of this bar and our doors closed behind us and our eyes are like fighting to adjust to the darkness, you know? And then like, finally we orient to where we are and then we, we go to the bartender guy, you know, we’re just kind of like buy a drink and we’re sitting there and then we’re like trying to make sure he knows we’re cool. And then we’re like, Hey, we’re looking for some weed, you know, anyone around that we can get that from, he like points across the room to a booth in the corner. And it’s like, it’s like out of a movie. I’m not kidding. Like dark, smoky. And there’s like light coming down. It’s almost like he’s pointing over to where Han Solo is, you know, except that was a lot, very bright.

But anyway, there’s this guy and sitting at his back to us and there’s smoke and he’s smoking a cigarette, drinking a beer or something. Can’t see his face. There’s a hat on. And we’re like, he’s like, I was like, go talk to that guy. So I think Scott went over, talked to him, bought some weed. And the guy was like, the guy was like, yeah, it’s not very good. I’m sorry, but I got some. It was the best weed we ever smoked in our life. So we’re, we’re, we’re, uh, we’re these like little hippie kids from Phoenix, Arizona. We’re throwing raves and the weed we’re smoking. If we can get it kind, but it’s good. Seedless, you know, smells good. All this stuff. I’m not much of a weed smoker these days, but when I was, it was, I was a bit of a connoisseur. Most of the time though, all we could afford was the, the, the Mexican brick dirt weed that’s coming across the border. You know? Yeah. It’s weed that was grown in Mexico, dried out, packed into like solid brick. And then probably like smuggled in under someone’s car or whatever.

Most of the time it was coming across the border. Now I’m sure that’s not even a thing. I don’t even think, you know, I would be surprised if anyone has, you know, that shitty of quality weed on the streets now, because with now everything at being legal, like, why would you, why would you buy anything like that? It was the worst weed ever. Anyway, sometimes we got kind, bud. Uh, but in Vancouver, British Columbia, you know, this is the promised land and this is where, this is where the first decriminalized area of the North, North America exists. And this is where the first, you know, coffee bar that you can smoke weed in is. So of course the weed’s amazing, you know? And the guy that say, you know, this guy in the American hotel who sells us this like weed, that’s not very good. Like he didn’t realize what kind of weed we were smoking. He didn’t understand the measure, but so we, I think we got like a quarter pound, a quarter ounce weed, which is plenty.

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Cause we’re not going to be there that long. We, uh, end up like clowning around. We found blunt brothers. Um, it ended up picking up this kind of shadow of this dude we met who was like, yeah, I can show you around. I was very, very like concerned. I think he was, I didn’t get a good feeling. Good vibe from him. I wasn’t able to relax, you know? And that’s not always good when you’re smoking weed, but like we got to the blunt brothers smoked our weed. It was, it was cool, but it wasn’t as cool as we thought. And then they have a little special like booth in the corner where you have to smoke cigarettes. I wouldn’t let you smoke cigarettes and smoke weed. And there were time limits on the booths and it was just a normal coffee shop and they sold like glass pipes and paraphernalia stuff. So it was cool. It was a cool experience. We accepted the side quests.

That was handed to us, you know, and we traveled and we, we, we accomplished many side quests along the way, you know, getting our weed in Humboldt County and then crossing into Canada and then, you know, achieving the, the, the, the ability to find weed in that place and then can find blunt brothers. And so anyway, we’re starting to kind of get bored and we were sleeping in the bus, the bus the whole time. Cause this thing has a camper pop-up. So there’s like a bed in the bottom. Of the bus. And then some pops up and there’s a bed on top. So we have, we don’t have to buy hotels. It’s awesome. And so we, uh, we decided to come back where we need it. It’s time for us to head back to Phoenix. So our, now our, our quest is our mission objective and map markers updated on our, you know, third person game tracker is head back to Phoenix, you know? And so this is a long drive ahead of us. So, but we, we still had a decent amount of weed left. So we, we don’t want to waste. It cause it was, it was so good.

So we’re like, oh, we’ll just roll it into joints and we’ll smoke it all before we head over the border. That was the only logical thing to do. You’re not going to throw this away. So we like go to this park place. That’s like a state park. It’s maybe 30 minutes away from the border. We pull in and just kind of, it’s no one’s around lots of trees everywhere. It was very green, very beautiful. This is in the summertime. So it was nice weather. And I think we rolled like four joints. Of kind bud, this Vancouver BC kind bud, which is probably just whatever normal weed everyone’s smoking out. But we, we smoked all four joints to each. And then we first of first, like we were smart about it. We, we knew we were probably going to get searched coming back into the U S. So we’re like, let’s get ready for this. Just get rid of everything. You know, no paraphernalia, no, no, no pipes or whatever. Get rid of like, go through everything. Cause they’re going to search us. And so, but we did that first.

Cause that would have been a really annoying on when you’re like super baked. Then after we did that, we’re like, all right, time to smoke the joints. And we smoked two each and I’ve never been more high in my entire life. And my friend, Bob, I think I was, okay. I was driving or bubble was driving. And I, you know, this was irresponsible guys. So I apologize for this, but. We drive to the border check. It’s like two in the morning by this time. We’re trying to cross back over the border in the United States. It’s a really small little checkout thing, border crossing. And it’s literally like one guard guy in a booth. Cause it’s super, no one, no one’s crossing right now. He looks at us, we pull up and he looks at us and he looks at the bus and he looks back at me. And he said, I don’t even want to look, just go. And I was just kind of like, hold on, what? And then like my super baked brain. Cause you must’ve, we were Cheech and Chong. Cheech and Chong roll up to this border gate, all hippied out in the 79 Westfalia, you know?

And this old guy is by himself at this, at this border crossing. And he’s just realizing like what a pain in the ass this is going to be. And so he’s just like, go. I don’t even want to look. And then I don’t even think. I don’t even want to look. I think he checked our passports. Like, do you have American passports? Are you good to go? And then he’s just like, I don’t even want to look, just go. And I, we were both just like, holy shit, this is, did that just happen? You know? And then we figured he was going to let us through and then call someone to say, hey, these guys just rolled through the border. You should probably pull them over or something, you know, talk to buddies down the road. So we were a little paranoid coming through Washington. It’s also late at night. I think we pulled over and went to sleep. Um, and we, we smoked weed. Um, we, we drive back. It’s like kind of a miserable drive because we’re just driving to get home. You know, the drive home is always rough.

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Like if you’ve ever driven to Las Vegas and then driven home, the drive there is exciting. The drive back is, is miserable usually because that wonder, the excitement of what’s going to happen, you know, you’re, it already happened, you know? So our drive home from Vegas was a long drive from Vancouver, British Columbia, all the way down to Phoenix. Arizona, across the entire United States. The Four Agreement Sets. It was a true adventure, you know? And I set the, I was looking at the map, I set it down, and I took my glasses off because they bother me. And I set them down on the concrete next to the map. And then I just left them there, I think. And I picked up the map, and we got in, and we kept going. I think it was my turn to sleep. Then when I woke up, I was like, oh shit, I left my glasses at that gas station. I didn’t have glasses for many, many years. You’re like, Spencer, what is this story? How does this have to do with anything? Well, I’m getting to it. My glasses, I left in California somewhere.

And many, many years later, I realized I need them. My vision starts to get worse. And I really need to be able to see the road signs. And so what I had was, I had like for my meat suit, you know, I have a biomechanical system sensor failure, okay? So my optical sensors on this meat suit were losing fidelity, which was causing my brain to lose information necessary to process and make decisions. Right? I’m driving down the road. It’s like dim light, like, you know, 5pm. And I can’t read the signs, which is preventing me from making the right decisions, right? I have a meat suit error being thrown, right? I have a biomechanical, you know, system fault. Fuzzy sensor reading, you know? It’s operable, you know? The system functions. And, you know, I’m losing fidelity and I’m losing sensor input. What’s happening is my brain is sophisticated, right? It is adaptable and it is really good at working with pattern recognition to help me maneuver through the world. What I don’t realize is, this is kind of like the Dun & Kruger thing

I was talking about yesterday. What I didn’t realize was, I didn’t know what I didn’t know. I didn’t know how clear things could have been, right? And so when I got the glasses and I upgraded and corrected one of these critical sensors on my meat suit, you know, it brought my vision back to 2020 baseline. And then I walk out into this courtyard and I’m like, how have I been missing this? How have I been living without feeling this fidelity? It’s kind of like that sound system that Jared has at his house. Like if you have like the stupid speakers on the TV, that’s all you’ve got. And then, and then you, you, you call Jared and he gets his brother who does the sound systems and they, they jack your sound up. And then you’re just like the, the jet firing off the freaking, uh, the aircraft carrier. It’s not, you’re not just seeing it. You’re like feeling it. Your, your organs are shaking in your belly, right? So why am I telling this story?

Well, all of these sensors, your brain is taking all these inputs in making sense of the world, the three-dimensional linear time that we’re experiencing. And when you, uh, when your brain is functioning, it’s running on a bio chemical system. And there’s a, there’s this cascade, a beautiful choreography, a biography of chemicals and hormones and things that make up this weird thing called the circadian rhythm. And the circadian rhythm is in charge of the, your relationship to the sun via your optical nerves. And Huberman is the expert here, not me, but he knows he’s, and I’ve listened to a lot of his podcasts, but he talks about this.

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And there’s another doctor, Courtney something. And she talks about this. She talks about this as well. And what happens is we’ve, we’ve evolved and our, our human meat suit has the brain and all of the systems running in it, use sensors to adapt the internal systems to the external environment. Right? So when you’re in the morning, like let’s say you’re, you’re a cave guy living in Vancouver before, you know, thousands of years ago before blunt brothers is there. So let’s pretend thought experiment. You’re like. First, you know, person, people in BC, the area, your hunter gatherer tribe, right? You’re a nomadic people. And you live in that area. This is kind of like drunk history. So now what we’re seeing, I think you should picture, you know, a set of 1500s first people, Spencer, if I’m like there, why do we have a white guy in the tribe anyway, he’s here with us and I’m living in this, I’m living in off the land. I’m in a tune with. The environment. There’s no electrical stuff. There’s no, there’s no fake light sources.

You know, the sun is my body’s connection to whether or not it should be sleeping or awake. And so when I’m, when I’m laying on the ground and then the sun sun breaks the horizon, that first ray of light that comes and hits my eyeball triggers my brain and it says, okay, red lights, light spectrum detected, you know? Okay. critical input received. Brain should come online. We need to release, you know, cortisol, cortisol, stress hormones, and we need to bring him online so that he can go and find food and survive and fight and hunt. So all the things that 1500s primitive Spencer does, you know. So circadian rhythm and mental health is as a critical component. They’re very highly connected. This is where we get back to the morning routine and why it’s important. So you’ve talked to your expert. You’re being compliant with your protocol given to you by your official experts, right? Step one, what else can you do? That’s not the way you stop. Okay. People do this all the time.

They go to a doctor and they get on a, get on a treatment plan. And then they’re like, well, I’m going to wait for this to magically, you know, help me out. I’m going to, it’s going to solve all my problems. It’s not, it’s going to help reduce the symptoms enough. So you can function now. That’s all this does. And it’s sad. And it’s, I wish that people could really understand this, but like your bioelectric meat suit has some sort of, you know, issue adapting to the environment, this three-dimensional linear time space you’re experiencing. And so it requires supplemental, you know, inputs through synthetic chemicals created by some big company. Okay. To correct whatever chemical imbalance is happening inside of this very sophisticated system that you have. And what happens is somehow, and often by magic that these companies don’t even know about, it helps the person operating the meat suit get to a place where they’re able to actually start to operate the meat suit towards kind of getting food in

their mouth and keeping themselves alive. That’s all it does. So it reduces the symptoms enough for someone to actually function. That’s my, what I believe. And so for me, when I was in crisis and I had three heavy duty chemicals applied to my biomechanical meat suit, it brought me to a place where I could start to function again. Once I’m on this plan and I’m compliant, first one, first step plan compliance daily, go and see the doctors, take the protocol seriously, listen to them. They’re experts. Do the blood draws, let them help you, you know, but now it’s on you to, to, to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, like my mom says. And what is that first thing you need to do? In my opinion, I’m giving advice to Spencer right after he exits the hospital. He and I are sitting there now. So I want to make sure you know who I’m talking to. Spencer, you just started your treatment plan. You’re smoking cigarettes and walking around near your dad’s condos. You feel hopeless. The one thing that will help you the most right now is

this. Your breakfast is critical and that your sleep has to start getting better. You need to be eating high protein, high fat, and you need to be eating high protein. You need to be eating high fat first thing in the morning without any sugar. So your brain can normalize and it can operate as best as it can to help support the protocol you’re on Spencer. Now you’re also going to need to work

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on your sleep. And I know sleep is really hard for you right now. I know that when you lay in bed, your hand is twitching because the geodon is giving you side effects, which cause involuntary muscle spasms. And you, you’re literally twitching. And I know that you can’t feel calm because you’re, you’re kind of like being forced to rest, even though your body doesn’t want to. Your mind is, is being kind of like recalibrated to the normal frequencies it should run at. But the thing you can do now, the best thing you could do now is to get the circadian rhythm under control. So you, you have all of the tools working in addition to the tools you’re given by the, by the professionals you’re seeing. So, you know, I wish I would have known about this stuff sooner. It took me many, many, many years to build a connection between, okay, if I’m healthy and I work out and I manage my stress and I’m sleeping really good, then, uh, I’ll feel better, you know, and that’ll actually help me more than

the external chemicals that are helping me. You know, it’s like, I have this incredible capacity to, you know, change variables. That are bioelectric, biomechanical. You know, I can change the inputs to affect the system. And many, many years later, I realized and learned the power of breathing on this nervous system, you know, and there’s a company called Physiology First, this guy, David Bidler. And I actually like went through the certification with him many years later. And this is what they talk about. They teach, kids how to do this. They teach teens how to regulate their nervous system using breathing and exercise and cold plunge. All these things that I had cobbled together over many years, David had put into a framework. And I was like, this is, this is amazing. David has a packaged thing for, so if you’re, so if I could go back in time right now to Spencer, that’s like sitting there smoking cigarettes and reading books and doing nothing. Cause he can’t really do much at all, but try to function.

If he was able to reach out to Physiology First, I would say, go there, read their stuff. Physiology First has it dialed in all of it. And I love their messaging because they believe, and David had posts about this and I’ll share the Instagram. He, the one thing I love probably the most is that like, these are, these are kids are being labeled and then their, their kids are adopting them as part of their identities. And this is very damaging, especially when you’re young. So they’re, they’re being given disorders and you’re saying you have a disorder, you know, you have X, Y, Z disorder. And that X, Y, Z disorder is the reason why you’re not okay. You know, like when you’re a child, you don’t want to find out that there’s some reason why you’re not normal. Like that, that messed me up, you know, that messed me up when I, I went to bed and I was feeling intense shame. Like I was carrying that around and it, it messed with me for a long time. So like I would imagine,

having a disorder given to you and then all the kids at school, like, like luckily I don’t think the kids knew that I went to bed, but you know, that was a horrible thing for me to have to hide. And like, I would, I would go to sleepovers and try to go to camping things and I’d have to sneak around and put a, I wore a diaper to sleep so that it would hide the fact that I wet the bed. So I’m living with this intense amount of shame and I feel like kids now are feeling the same things. Maybe they, you know, I think it’s becoming more normalized now, which is really scary. Like I have this, this thing that, you know, is who I am or how I operate. And that’s hard. I think that’s where the agreements from The Four Agreements book, that’s where they come from. You know, kids make up stories and agree to the world being the way it is so they can make sense of it. And now you’re handing this kid this disorder and it’s hard for them to make sense of it.

How do you explain that to the child? Doctors are trying to help them understand it. You know, you’re going to have to take these pills now to be normal. Like, how about maybe the environment isn’t the right place for them? You know, how about maybe they’re totally normal. They just don’t thrive in the environment they’re in. That’s what David talks about. Like kids are like, okay, you can’t sit still for eight hours in a, in a dark room with, with, with a fluorescent lighting. And then obviously you’re,

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you’re the problem. You know, it can’t be that like the environment or the, the physical world conditions are the problem. You know, absolutely not. No, the disorder holds. This agreement is given to the child that now they get to own this and manage it. And then potentially beyond some very, very hard and dangerous chemicals in critical times when they’re developing. There’s, there’s, there’s a, someone I follow on Instagram, coldplungecam. And he recently went to Washington, DC to give a speech in, at the white house. And it was about how he has been trying to wean off of SSRIs for like 20 years. Well, he’s been on them for a long time since he was a teenager, early teens. He went through puberty and then into adulthood, critical development periods, with an, a supplemented chemical being applied to his biomechanical bioelectric meat suit. So what happened was this external chemical caused his systems to just form around it to a place where they just didn’t understand the world without it.

Our meat suit is super sophisticated and it’ll make adjustments to its environment, right? So it’ll, it’ll make adjustments. If you’re living in pitch darkness, right? You’ll turn into a cave person. No, just kidding. That’s the, there’s a movie called the descent and it’s absolutely terrifying, but that’s the idea. It’s like they’re living, these humans have lived in the darkness and now they turn into monsters. That’s not real. That movie gives me the worst anxiety because they’re literally crawling through these little cave holes things and can’t back up. And there’s three, don’t even, Oh my gosh. Okay. Sorry guys. Trigger warning. Cave, cave people and claustrophobia. Um, no, the, the idea is that we, our bodies adapt. And so if we are getting, let’s say you’re getting, um, too little of a nutrient, your body will, will figure out how to survive. And it’ll just do that by calibrating everything else around that, that missing element. You’re operating one of the most sophisticated, you know, meat suit versions ever.

Like out of all of the versions and iterations of this meat suit design so far right now, this is the most advanced. So you have the advanced hardware, but now what’s happening is you’re not letting the hardware operate in its optimal environment. You’re not letting it operate in the same environment that, you know, 1500s, uh, hippie Spence in BC now lives in. And the, so BC hippie Spence in 1500s, is now living with a band of small group of people, a community of hunter gatherers, and he’s traveling around and adapting to the land and probably living a nomadic lifestyle in a small band of people, right? 80 people, five, 50, 80 people. If you’ve ever, if you’ve ever seen, uh, dances with wolves, it’s a great movie, but you’ll, the, the, the, um, Native American people that, are represented in that movie is kind of what I’m thinking about right now. Small group moving around, you know, not really necessarily putting roots down in any specific

location. Back in the day, I used to read books by Daniel Quinn called Ishmael is one of a really good one. He talks about what really birthed the society and things that we live in the structure of everything that we, we know now. And this occurred about 10,000 years ago. And he says, and this, I’m just paraphrasing my memory of this, and you should definitely go back to that. And he says, and this, I’m just paraphrasing my memory of this, and you should definitely go read these books. He’s got a few different ones. Ishmael, the story of B and then the last one is called, um, I don’t remember the last one, what it’s called, but they’re really good books. And it just talks about how, you know, slowly there was a specific kind of human group that kind of like got it powerful enough to weed out all the rest. And if you, if you look at what the qualities

are, this is something I read in my early twenties. I think I read the book again, but I’m going to paraphrase and I’m going to please ask if you’re a big fan of Daniel Quinn that you, or if you’re Daniel Quinn and you’re listening, uh, give me a, cut me some slack. It’s been a lot of mental health issues and smoking weed, but between then and reading the book, anyway, there’s this idea of one specific type of agriculturalist culture. And what he called it was, was totalitarianistic

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agriculture. It’s this idea that we’re going to sit in one area. We’re going to plant farms. We’re going to farm crops and we’re going to kill any animal that gets in the way of that, no matter the cost. So it’s this, like, we’ve decided that we are here. This is us. We are, we’re the owners of this place. And if you threaten our, our ability to mass produce food in any way, you’re going to get killed. That’s like the, the group I’m talking about. And unfortunately that’s the group we are now. We are the descendants of that group because what happened was you had different types of groups. You had hunter gatherer tribes and first peoples and people that were living in harmony and at war with each other. I’m not saying there was like, it was like Kumbaya, but they were at least maintaining some sort of natural balance with the environment around them. Like the life that they were living was similar to the animal kingdom and the animal kingdom as well. Like there’s, I’ve listened to Cam Haines and Rogan enough to

know this. It’s not a Kumbaya situation either. There’s lots of different population issues and explosions of populations for different reasons. So there’s a lot of to this, but like, and this is Daniel Quinn. I’m talking about Daniel Quinn and his ideas, but I really like them. It makes sense. The idea is that this group of people who’s basically like, if you come over here and take my stuff, I’m going to kill you, animals, humans, whatever. And then they got so successful at it. They were so good at this that they started to expand and the population size increased at a dramatic rate. And then when you have a lot of people in one area and you have a surplus of food to support the population growth, now you have a situation that’s weird. It’s a strange thing. It’s like, we have a surplus of food. What do we do with it? Well, that food is becoming currency and that food becomes currency that someone has to own. And now you have these structures of ownership starting to crop up. Like 1500 Spence right now, who just, the sun just

of the sun are hitting his eyes and he’s, his Mitsu is coming online. You know, he doesn’t know what mental health is. It doesn’t exist. He is, he couldn’t imagine, you know, wanting to kill anyone around him that just, he’d be like, sure, just take what you need. There’s plenty around here. I live in an abundance world. The world is amazing. There’s enough for everyone. And there was because the population was relatively, you know, in that area at that time before the, before the westward expansion of Europeans. I mean, there was a lot of, there was a lot going on on this continent. I love reading about the history of, of the people that lived in the United States before, you know, the expansion of the, of the European empires, because they, they have great civilizations with technology, but they, they relatively stayed relatively in, in balance with their environments. They didn’t have the same level of let’s go kill everyone else. You know, like let’s expand to the point. And anyone that’s in our way

is going to get assimilated or die. Like they didn’t have the same idea there. The totalitarianistic agriculturalists that Daniel Quinn talks about are the ones that we are now, which is unfortunate, but true because, and there’s still some tribal communities and there’s people in the Amazon that have never actually integrated, integrated, but this idea that, you know, we have to expand anything that gets in the way of our expansion is an enemy to us. That was the formula that slowly weeded out everyone because it slowly increased the size and power of these little communities. And then these communities slowly joined together to become cities and little, little villages and then the villages became cities and cities became empires. Oh, if you’ve ever played civilization, the video game, you understand this concept. You start with the one little dude making, he starts chopping the trees down, you know, but I like Star Trek or Star, Starcraft, similar things. But your idea is

the enemy is anyone around you because they’re going to take resources from you. And so this isn’t my idea. I learned this from Daniel Quinn and I’ve been thinking, this is a seed he planted in my mind when I was in my early twenties and it made seeing the world the way it is very difficult. Abundance mindset versus poverty mindset. Okay. And he’s talking about the cultures that clashed during this expansion. This is my, I just thought about this. So what, here’s what’s

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happening, right? The Spencer living in 1500s Vancouver, British Columbia right now, he thinks the world is so abundant. Like everyone has enough. Like, why would I even care that you have to, you want what I have? I have, I can go over there and I can go over there and I can go over there and get it off the tree. Like here, sure. No worries. Obviously there are bad people in the world and there are other, you know, communities that may try to come and hurt us. So I’m going to defend my family, but I’m not going to be like, we need to make sure those, those guys over there can’t eat and they’re exterminated. Like that’s the difference here. So the, the people, you know, the Spencer of hippie Spencer of 1500s Vancouver, British Columbia is pretty, is, is definitely living in an abundance mindset. And then the out, so, so somewhere else out in the world in Europe, you know, and I think like 1492 is Columbus and stuff. So like, I don’t think in 1500, let’s just pretend that, you know,

Columbus, maybe we need to rewind Vancouver hippie Spence that’s living where that American hotel is. That’s where he, his, his land is. He, he roams around, but you know, he was there way before they put the American hotel there. And then in future Spence, you know, hippie Spence from the year 2000 future Spence is going to go there anyway. So we need to rewind because I want to make sure, you know, we haven’t seen the negative effects of, of, um, European civilization coming over yet. So he lives in an abundance mindset. Obviously there are other people, other communities that are dangerous. And I love reading about, um, Incas. I love reading about the Incas. I’ve been down to Peru twice. Never been to Sacred Valley. I’ve never, I’ve never been to Machu Picchu. I, I went to the other side of Peru and flew into near the Amazon and went up the river into a little village of Shipibu, Shipibu, uh, healers. So it was a whole different part of, you know,

Peru, but I want to go back there, but there’s a great documentary called ancient, um, apocalypse. It’s so heartbreaking to read about and hear about the conquistadors that came through and just literally the, what the, the expansion of this, the civilization that I’m, I’m telling you about the Ishmael book by Daniel Quinn is talking about the totalitarianistic agricultural specific culture society that expanded and became so dangerous to the rest of the world that they eventually either like, you know, conquered you or puts you on a reservation, you know? And, there’s not any specific country or origin. It was the entire West, you know, it was an entire modern civilization world happening because it happened across all of the different continents simultaneously because what happened was it’s like, you know, there’s this competition now for limited resources. You didn’t have that before when, when humans were just living in, within a calibrated equilibrium with their environment, they didn’t need this

fear of getting exterminated. Like obviously there were other cultures and things, you know, that would probably try and run you off, you know, but the, and they, there probably were variations, you know, of this, but I’m getting into the weeds here. Why am I, why am I talking about Daniel Quinn? Why am I, well, I’m talking about it because that poverty mindset is the one driving that fact that there’s like this feeling of not enough going around. So like, oh crap, we got to get the, we got to get all the food, store it all up. Now we own it. Now we have a size, a levels of hierarchies of ownership. And now we have people that protect it. No, there’s people that can break laws, you know? And then it’s like, oh, there’s not enough poverty mindset that is driving this massive machine of, of decimation. And then what’s happening is it’s created this weird thing that is so backwards to our, our meat suit. Our meat suit lived in equilibrium. Meat suit wants to wake up with the sunlight and not an alarm clock and not like, uh, you know,

not fluorescent lighting. If you’ve ever been camping, it’s funny because it doesn’t take long before everyone’s just like in bed when sun goes down. You know, like if you don’t have fake light and you’re, you’re there like the second day on people, like the sun goes down and then everyone starts to like sit by the fire and this fire has this beautiful, like really nice red light that actually triggers, you know, your eyes are like, what? Oh, I’ve been missing this. This is the, this is the like ancient kind of like circadian rhythm thing that I like, I didn’t know. I, I, how did I not know I needed this? You know, this is a, your brain being like, holy crap, why did we, why did you not get glasses now for so

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long? This is incredible. And then the circadian rhythm starts to normalize and then you’re tired and you wake up and the next day the sun’s coming up and everyone’s getting up early and it’s just super comfy. And sometimes you do late, you bundle up in the cool blankets, you know, but you’re, you’re, you’re, you’re in tune with natural light rhythm and your brain and your, your brain chemistry is just better. And then, you know, so let’s just fast forward a year 2000 and 2000 future Spence is not managing his mental health and not getting his circadian rhythm in check. And he’s operating in this Daniel Quinn termed totalitarianistic civilization that has put boxes and supplied everyone with fake candles that can let them work and be productive more longer to produce more so that they can be a contributor to the machine that has exterminated all other forms of civilization up until this point or manage them, put them in their box, whatever. So all of these things are related. And so the tangent that became the point of this is

start with following your protocol given to you by your expert. The expert is part of this machine though. So you got to be careful. The expert is part of a perpetuating this totalitarianistic cultural machine. So tread lightly there. And then you need to think about Spence in his, you know, 14, 1300 Spence living in BC with his eyes seeing the sunlight and getting an finding some squirrel or like some sort of animal to eat, getting a high protein, high fat breakfast. And then you need to think about Spence. So tread lightly there. And then you need to think about Spence. He has a shelter and stuff, obviously, but like it’s so different than how we live now. It’s so opposite that. And the thing about this meat suit that we’re operating is the hardware slowly adapts. The chemical systems can adapt fast because they’re designed to adapt fast. So you know, it’s actually, I guess, not adaptation because you’re just like in the wrong environment. And that’s what David Bidler from physiology first talks about. He’s like, you put kids in

certain situations and then they don’t behave well in that under those conditions because their meat suit is not calibrated. It’s better when it runs or better when it dances or better when it’s like coordinating with a group of people. But when you sit in a chair and force it to stare at a thing, for eight hours and then be like timed and you have all this weird, like it just now it’s somehow the problem. It’s like, no, no, no, it’s not a disorder at all. It’s physiology. That’s why he calls this program physiology first. And that’s what I’m advocating for here. You know, it really should be physiology first, especially with kids. And you know, there, there’s a time and a place for these experts and you should trust them. And I’m not an expert and I’m not giving you advice here. My 2000, 2005 spends, I just got out of the hospital. I’m saying, Hey, physiology first, get that sleep dialed in eight hours a night. That was one of the hardest things

when I was, that I had to deal with getting on, getting settled in on all the medications, sleeping. I had, it would take me hours and hours to fall asleep. And then it would be really hard for me to stay asleep. You know, dialing in the nutrition and getting that brain chemistry fully supported outside of the chemicals you’re adding to it. And eventually, you know, you start to get to a place where you get to be really healthy again, physically the meat suit. And then when you have that healthy, healthy meat suit, you can work with your provider to slowly wean off of these chemicals because you don’t need them necessarily. Like there are situations maybe where you have some sort of genetic or something happening where there is a requirement, but like that’s up to your profession, your provider. None of the ones that I’ve talked to want to keep these people on these things forever. I think what happens is people just don’t really add anything extra. They just,

that’s where it ends. The treatment is the treatment. And that’s like, that’s the end of their story. They’re just like, Oh, I guess I’m just going to accept that I’m on these things forever. And then I have to accept that they all come with side effects. Like I had involuntary twitching of the tooth to the outside, two fingers, not like horribly bad. I could, it was kind of like I had somehow had just acquired partial Parkinson’s syndrome, you know, Parkinson’s twitching. So I was like, okay, I guess that’s part of who I am now

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laying in bed and my hands shaking side effect of these chemicals that are helping me keep myself alive. And, um, yeah, physiology first, go check it out. Anyway, I’m back and I need to sign off and I need to eat breakfast and I need to, so I just took 6am sun’s up, took the dogs for a two mile walk. And now I’m going to, uh, get my meat suit tended to eat some nice nutrient foods. You know, I’m going to spend some time trying to disconnect from the electrical stuff today. All right. Hope you enjoyed this journey. And I’m working on a few processes for my podcast because yes, I’m using a lot of AI tools. Yes. I’m going to be using things to like produce content, but I’m also being very strict about, what words get used and where and when and what, and I’m building these systems and things to help take my voice notes, the words I actually speak, you know, and then digitize that. And in like a very strict log. So I know how to have like the audio source. And then I have the

time coded voice transcription run. And then I do a manual cleanup and reconciliation. Then I do a concepts and ideas extraction. And then once I have that, I start to route those ideas and those beliefs and those concepts to specific areas. And then I use that as material to develop my ideas. And I take those words and I correct the grammar and then I transport them, transplant them into the target documents. So what ends up happening is it should be similar to a voice note transcription to their paralegal, having that paralegal type that up verbatim and then carry that down into a legal document. So then of course the lawyer reads the document and says, this is my words. These are my words. This is what I believe. So I’m working to build frameworks around that same process to make sure that the words I’m speaking, the concepts that I’m talking about and the content that I’m producing with the with the use of AI is very productive, but it’s real and it’s mine. You know, it’s me.

And when I cite a source and I talk about an idea, I do my best to cite it and find out who said it and then make sure that’s included. So I’m not, you know, stomping on other people’s ideas, but like, just like I was saying yesterday, like all, everyone has these frameworks and it’s just a, this worked for me and I did it this way. And it’s a combination of a whole bunch of other people’s stuff. That’s how it is. So like, don’t get hung up on, well, this is exactly like someone else’s framework. It’s like, okay, that worked for them. Like maybe they couldn’t do your framework, you know, maybe your framework is just for you. And that’s kind of what mine is, you know, like mine’s for me. I’m going to throw out a bunch of ideas so that you can, you know, maybe pick up some points here and there. And you can say, this works, this worked for me too. And you build your own protocol. You know, there is no singular right protocol for everyone. You know, it’s different for everybody. And I believe that it’s the same way with nutrition

and fitness. You know, there’s so many people in fitness world that like they’re tribal, you know, they, they get very territorial and they believe this is the way everyone should do it. And it’s like, come on now, uh, uh, you know, 280 pound world-class wrestler is going to do stuff differently than a ballet dancer. Come on. Like we don’t all operate the same machinery. And we, and that’s the beautiful thing about being a human. You know, so we get to figure it out, but like, what I want to do is provide some tools, you know, like my buddy Joe said, there’s a tool for every job. I mean, you don’t pick the right tool. You mangle the mangle, the bolt, you know, you cause more damage. 8 21 AM. I don’t think I opened with the date and I’m trying to make sure I’m good at this because, uh, these are voice transcribed and I need my AI assistant to understand what day it is. It’s just to ensure we’re on track. It’s Sunday, August 30th, 8 21. 1am. My name is Spencer Thornock, and this is the Ouchie Origami Podcast. Thank you.